Breeding young dogs

[Officially Retired]

Jack,even though u're not Breeding any more u're still a valuable asset to the game. U're still very actively involved By making your knowledge available. U have had many critics through out the years(believe me I know cause I've had a few arguments defending u),but truth always prevails. When it comes to knowledge of the game I look toward you & T.G above a few of my older relatives that's mean involved for many years. I commend u for all u have added to the game through ur dogs & ur knowledge. My grandma said give people their roses while they're hear kause they can't smell them when they're gone. So here's Ur's Elder!

Thank you.

I prefer it this way.

I can discuss my favorite topic, without having to constantly worry about them anymore.

Trouble is, I miss looking out and seeing a yard of my own creation, but maybe some day I will get some again.

Jack

[SZ82]

What about young stud/ old bitch? Say son back to the mother.

[bossman311]

I decided to start this thread as this convo was taking over another member's thread. I for one don't condone this practice however I know it's been done with success. If someone gonna breed a young gyp to an old male to preserve the blood, ok I understand but when it's made a common practice that's where it becomes a problem. These dogs aren't for just anyone who has the coin to purchase their next fad. It pains me to see this great breed sold for monetary gain. Each breeding we make should be to improve the breed so how do a person know what they're improving on if the individuals aren't even fully developed yet?

PS. Please be respectful, I know this is a highly debatable topic and folks aren't gonna see eye to eye

Weather you are 1 yrs old or 100 you still have the same DNA. It never changes.
If You have an already existing family it doesn't matter if you going back to say a Father or Grandfather.
If you are starting off then you need to see it fully mature & learn about it . Both Strengths & weaknesses before you breed because it might not be worth breeding.

[brokeback]

Weather you are 1 yrs old or 100 you still have the same DNA. It never changes.
If You have an already existing family it doesn't matter if you going back to say a Father or Grandfather.
If you are starting off then you need to see it fully mature & learn about it . Both Strengths & weaknesses before you breed because it might not be worth breeding.

Just because you breed them so young doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I know you get a kick out of seeing your name '15/17' gens but that doesn't mean you have good dogs. Just young dogs being bred.

[bossman311]

Just because you breed them so young doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I know you get a kick out of seeing your name '15/17' gens but that doesn't mean you have good dogs. Just young dogs being bred.

Generations & age have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
In fact if you actually new me then you you would no that my program is hard & starts younger for a dog to meet my standard.
Dogs folks bragged on couldn't make the cut or keep the chain spot.
You can find 9 different families blended in some or 13 different families that I have all blended together in others.
I'm sure you are one of those who feed some of the same ones I add but not as pure & you think they are all of that.
I get a kick out of folks that's been around this long or longer who don't have 1/2 to show. That's what I really get a kick out of.
When it's all said & done the only thing that matters in bulldogs is sex & weight.
The difference in Bulldogs between talk & walk is a pedigree.
If you done it show if not keep it to yourself.

[Frank43]

This is true to a point the genes are the genes. Problem is you haven't seen enough to know what the expression of those genes looks like. I'm in this position a little now. I bought two pups. Both are rbjbt crosses, but looking further at it they aren't really that related. Now i see them as two different entities. One is a young male the other a female. My gut is pulling me towards the male more. He impresses me more every day. I would rather get his littermate sister. Do a father/daughter breeding with her and sit on the male. I think the males have a harder road in dogs and in life. Girls may get a pass to a point. Most likely when you are getting a start. My male may suck. Turn to be a rank cur then I have a yard full of his kids. The female may be the same. If she can pass on the genes in her past and successfully raise a littler of pups I'm happier.

[sam i am]

This is true to a point the genes are the genes. Problem is you haven't seen enough to know what the expression of those genes looks like. I'm in this position a little now. I bought two pups. Both are rbjbt crosses, but looking further at it they aren't really that related. Now i see them as two different entities. One is a young male the other a female. My gut is pulling me towards the male more. He impresses me more every day. I would rather get his littermate sister. Do a father/daughter breeding with her and sit on the male. I think the males have a harder road in dogs and in life. Girls may get a pass to a point. Most likely when you are getting a start. My male may suck. Turn to be a rank cur then I have a yard full of his kids. The female may be the same. If she can pass on the genes in her past and successfully raise a littler of pups I'm happier.

Time & money can besaved buying the brood bitch. Puppies are the biggest gamble feeding, housing, care of those pups until maturity. Is a waste if the desired results are not achieved, definitely if purchased from less than savvy individuals. Don’t gamble on what could be my friend go with what’s been proven.

Good luck 👍🏿

[Frank43]

how do you do that and not go broke a proven producer costs more than a used truck

[sam i am]

how do you do that and not go broke a proven producer costs more than a used truck

Depends on who you know and honest evaluation of the bitch in question. One mans trash is another mans treasure 💡when you really calculate what it cost to raise those hyped up pups into adulthood and end up dissatisfied.Time, feed, meds,for a few more dollars one could have purchased a gyp with grown dogs on the ground . that will give you a peek into the future. Hard times hit everybody. Cash is king. buying puppies always is a crap shoot buy the bitch breed a litter. Odds are simply better.


Or not everyone sees things differently

[Frank43]

true thanks