Here's my take on it, a young female ok I can understand that but in no way would I breed to a male that hasn't been checked for this simple reason, there's always a viable stud I can choose to breed to so I don't need to settle for a youngster. In no way would I breed 2 young dogs together I just can't do it.
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Originally Posted by EGK
And that is what i want young and old people to understand! Our breed is being pimp out by ASAPC,PETA and worst PEDDLERS who only see $$$. Truth is folks can breed young dogs if they please to they feed them b,u,t i do belive as members have said its going to catch up if that practice is kept up!
Old proven stud x young gyp I see no harm in that.Now young male x young female emmm im hard press to expect big things and would always look at these with a crooked eye.
Ginetics are Ginetics, surely the age of the sire and dam should not affect how the dogs behave or mature into grown dogs?
Out of curiosity how are the pups bred? Are they tightly bred dogs?
I wouldn't be a fan of breeding young unproven dogs but if it needed to be done I also wouldn't hesitate. We imported a young bitch from garner a few years ago and just before she was to be shipped she broke so we had garner mate her to the bobby Peru dog and got some of the best dogs we've ever had.
I agree with the post Jack is going to make.
Either that, or keep the pups to yourself.
I agree, I think the main problem with breeding young bitches is when someone does it to peddle all the pups. If you get yourself a bitch with the intentions of keeping her as a brood bitch to get good dogs from and keep then why not breed from her straight away and get the ball rolling.
This would be very understandable that killing two birds with one stone! B,u,t she was bred to a proven STUD!
Dont think he will be dropping in as he aready spoke his part on an other thread! This thread was made out of respect to the other members thread!
But how do you agree with someone that has not voice his opinion on this thread or are you in concur with wat he posted on the other thread?
Dont think Jack will mind if we as members voice our matter of opinions!
Genetics are genetics but the objective view of breeding proven parents is pairing the right genetic. Individuals from the same gene pool pull different traits many times. I have an old buddy with 40yrs in dogs. He is kicking himself right now trying to find the right specimens from his line to get back what made him love it. The blood is there but you can see a significant change in the dogs. He gambled a few times and regrets it. I continued in the way he taught me and he says he still sees what used to be on his yard. The thing is more about selective breeding to me and being able to cultivate and build consistency. This paired with overpopulation move my view. It's all opinions though so it's just a discussion not a debate. Still in stating my view. I recognize I can't control what anyone does. These discussions help moving forward with the breed though. So this topic is healthy. We can all weigh pros and cons.
My opinion is this: at the end of the day, people's "personal standards" mean nothing.
The only thing that truly matters is how their dogs do in open competition
Quibbling over "what someone else does" on their own yard, with their own dogs, shows a serious mental imbalance IMO.
I can't change what you're going to do, and you can't change what I am going to do.
If a man's dogs are winning, then shut up.
If your dogs aren't winning, then shut up.
If a man's dogs are repeatedly and consistently winning in open competition, then that is all that needs to be said.
If your dogs are repeatedly and consistently winning in open competition, then that is all that needs to be said.
Worry about your own standards, and if you're able to meet and beat (or lose deeply game in a long haul with) the best in the sport, then you're on the right track
However, if your dogs are only heroes in your own backyard (or imagination), against nobodies, but you have never actually produced dogs that have faced/beaten (or lost DG to) truly great dogs, then maybe your "opinion" isn't all that it's cracked up to be, when put under the microscope of factual reality.
Now, if someone else's dogs are getting out there and winning consistently, AND yours are too, then maybe BOTH ways are effective ... and there might be "more than one way" to do things right
Producing dogs that can win consistently is NOT just about "testing individuals" in the box ... it's also about effectively managing key genetic traits in the brood pen
Jack
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