Running Bulldogs In A Pack

[Stella]

I definitely believe that the pack mentality holds true with these dogs every bit as much as any dog. I have and currently let my dogs interact. What is interesting is that for the most part they get along. Not always but for the most part. Any "ousiders" though take some time to allow in and other dogs outside the pack are not welcome. I just think it's all about the owner or the pack leader if you will. I am sure that this will not work with some dogs. No way. The other thing I have noticed is, and I'm not sure why but I have a female that seems for the most part to be the alpha. Now I know that she would get her ass kicked if it came down to it but I think her pussy plays a part in this behavior. Lol

[EWO]

Agreed. Nothing better than a well rounded dog. And anything worth having is worth working for, and worth the effort involved.

The principle is pretty much the same as leaving a dog on the chain except for when he is rolled and the expecting him to 'know' how to work once his weight is called. It happens sometimes but most of the time it is a headache that could have been avoided. Sometimes the dogs can know the difference, i.e., Ch. Angel, GrCh Virgil, Poncho, etc. etc. and that is those dogs who will give that extra little bit if you ask them to do so. That is really special in itself.

One of the things I learned long ago is that it takes all kinds to make the world go around. Dogs no different.

Out of the same camp we had Ch. Angel and Ch. Charlie. We were giving him a rub down in the building and I dropped some nails or screws or something, got down on the floor to pick them up and he perked up and was within a hair of making a scratch. He would scratch into a oncoming truck if it was in the box with him.

And great thread. Good series of posts. EWO

[Officially Retired]

Agreed. Nothing better than a well rounded dog. And anything worth having is worth working for, and worth the effort involved.

The principle is pretty much the same as leaving a dog on the chain except for when he is rolled and the expecting him to 'know' how to work once his weight is called. It happens sometimes but most of the time it is a headache that could have been avoided. Sometimes the dogs can know the difference, i.e., Ch. Angel, GrCh Virgil, Poncho, etc. etc. and that is those dogs who will give that extra little bit if you ask them to do so. That is really special in itself.

One of the things I learned long ago is that it takes all kinds to make the world go around. Dogs no different.

Out of the same camp we had Ch. Angel and Ch. Charlie. We were giving him a rub down in the building and I dropped some nails or screws or something, got down on the floor to pick them up and he perked up and was within a hair of making a scratch. He would scratch into a oncoming truck if it was in the box with him.

And great thread. Good series of posts. EWO

Former Welterweight contender, Billy Collins, used to do dogs also.

I remember Bobby Holland telling me he went to a dog deal with Billy who was bringing two 2x winners in the back of his van, both of which were completely loose and sitting on the back seat. Both males.

The dogs would occasionally growl at each other and Billy would say, "Shut up!", and the dogs would shut up.

Well, one dog made Champion, the other was picked up game, and they both rode back home (chopped-up) and did not need to be separated either way ...

Jack

[TFX]

Great additional input guys! I know there are lurkers out there with great stories along these lines, we would love to hear them. I think we forget what so many of these dogs are capable of, and we inadvertently "profile" them ourselves, all the while griping about Breed Specific Legislation. Maybe it's the dog fanciers themselves who over regulate the breed with practices that stifle their individuality and potential.

[CRISIS]

nice topic, lets not forget that virgil was one of them smart dogs that could interact with other dogs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmqmCkBH5Y0

[Officially Retired]

Almost always, it will be a person's BEST dogs that can interact with other dogs ... because it takes intelligence and discretion for dogs to be able to assess who-is-who.

Only stupid dogs want to fight "everything" and (typically) only stupid people encourage this.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Close a door and step over a wall and she would go absolutely bat shit crazy, a highly intense methodical killer.
Step over the wall, walk out in the yard and she was Scooby Doo all over again.

That was Missy. Step over the plywood, she'd immediately growl, step back out, and she's a happy puppy ... step back in, she's deadly serious again.

Her sister Ruby would run loose in the neighborhood, and avoid aggressive dogs. Put her in the pit, she'd fugging decimate what was in front of her, and peel their nose back to their eyes ...

Ruby was so friendly, they didn't think she'd start ... but, even on her first time down, she could read the intent of the opponent ... and actually got the first hold, and shipwrecked the bitch in :22 ...

Jack

[TFX]

I really think this is the key Crisis, intelligence. My Homer III based stock would have been a bigger challenge, because frankly they aren't as intelligent. Less intelligent dogs tend to fall to the bottom of the pack when mixed with intelligent dogs. The funny thing is, when we had that stuff everyone was all ga~ga over it, but not only were they inferior in intelligence, they were probably not quite as good as my core stock in pit ability either.

[EWO]

This covers a lot of different topics as well. A dog who absolutely refuses to run the mill and the conditioner wasting three weeks trying to force it upon him and then being mad at the dog because he did 'take the keep'.

Knowing the dogs as individuals is huge. Recognizing and making adjustments is key.

If a dog can be that well rounded and know the difference it is a good thing, should be celebrated and a lifestyle can be forged around that type of dog. If the dog is the other way, maniacally fight crazy, he has his place to, where a a good chain set up is a must, always. EWO

Almost always, it will be a person's BEST dogs that can interact with other dogs ... because it takes intelligence and discretion for dogs to be able to assess who-is-who.

Only stupid dogs want to fight "everything" and (typically) only stupid people encourage this.

Jack

[TFX]

This covers a lot of different topics as well. A dog who absolutely refuses to run the mill and the conditioner wasting three weeks trying to force it upon him and then being mad at the dog because he did 'take the keep'.

Knowing the dogs as individuals is huge. Recognizing and making adjustments is key.

If a dog can be that well rounded and know the difference it is a good thing, should be celebrated and a lifestyle can be forged around that type of dog. If the dog is the other way, maniacally fight crazy, he has his place to, where a a good chain set up is a must, always. EWO

You hit upon my whole impetus for this type of experiential, and physical training. That is, the ability to take the individual to his or her full potential in whatever endeavor the dog is asked to perform. C'mon guys, do we.really think the methods of the 50's or even the 70's, or 90's is the optimum way to raise.dogs? On the other hand, there were plenty of successful folks who hand.raised them in small numbers (Andre Giroux and Norman Hooten immediately come to mind) back in that same era, who definitively proved one could do more with less.

I'm sorry, but if a fancier is smart today, they likely already realize the era of keeping 30, 50, or more dogs is bygone. If not, news flash!:-) Training methods like this.can allow a fancier to do more with less IMO. A dog that will quit.in :20 for.the local hee haw dog.goober may do 2:00 for a beloved friend. Who got it wrong in the former scenario? Who got blamed?