Which breeding are you repeating, the one that produced Kelso and Fez?Originally Posted by skipper
Which breeding are you repeating, the one that produced Kelso and Fez?
Yes! Gorm / Miss Francess. There were one more male from that litter that lost in an hour against one of the top players out there.
Nothing wrong with that.
Macho was my dog. He made ROM in just 4 breedings. I can tell you this. He was TO THIS DAY the HARDEST ROCKET SCRATCHING DOG that I have ever seen. His daughter Ch.Xena (bred by your's truly) and son Ch.Awesomebuck were the same.. ROCKETS and deadgame. He was a PREPOTENT producer. He beat a dog that was going for his grandchampionship . That dog had beat Havannah Chico, Cuban Missing Link, and Strictly Business. Here is his pedigree (Diesel) I think of that dog EVERY day. he was PERFECT! could finish EARLY, you couldn't HOLD him, and was a f*cking BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN. I loved that dog. I then purchased his sister Macha who ended up putting me on the map when I bred her to Ch.357 to get Gr.Ch.Machobuck. I LOVED THAT DOG WITH ALL MY HEART, and up until Machobear II came along, I never had one anything close to him. Just a piece of History fellas. With all due respect skipper, it is my FIRM opinion, that if that dog was the gamest you ever saw, and the brother was an ACE, it had a large part to do with the Awesome Dolly bitch. Those dogs HAD IT ALL. That is the very reason that I am sticking to that line.
Thnx for your input evo. I don't doubt for a second that much of their quality's comes from Awesome dolly. Dunder was a super solid dog from one of the gamest frisco strains there is. Miss francess is a serious bitch. Probably one the most devastating bitches I've seen. The point is,there are solid dogs behind this breeding. But I'm with you. I really like the blood that comes with the dolly bitch.
WOW! Very nice History!
These dogs have done well and seem to be phenomenal. However. I would not call them Frisco Dogs. I would call them Bolio-Tombstone X Chinaman dogs. On the topside of KELSO, Dunder is is 62.5% Chinaman, 50% Frisco, and 34.3% Bolio-Tombstone. When they bred that to Awesome Dolly, it made it 31.25% Chinaman and only 25% Frisco, and 48.4% Bolio-Tombstone adding 18.75% Redboy-Jocko to the mix. Take that and breed it to the the Miss Francis female and you get 12.5% Frisco only. but you add more Chinaman through the Earl Jr stuff. That is where it gets interesting. Frances is 37.5% Chinaman and 25% Bolio-Tombstone through Garner's Spice, 25% Spider Bitem POR, and is 0% Frisco.
The pedigree breakdown is that those dogs are 36.7% Bolio-Tombstone, 34.375% Chinaman, 12.5% Spider Bitem POR, 12.5% Frisco only, 9.375&% Redboy-Jocko through Awesome Dolly. What probably makes it work is that the Bolio-Tombstone in Lee Ling clicks with the Hollingsworth in Awesome Dolly AND Garner's Spice on the bottom side. You CANNOT call these Frisco dogs being that the genetic contribution is only 12.5%, if you do that.. you might as well say it's a redboy-jocko dog since it is only a few points lesser percentage (9.375%). Frisco plays a VERY small role in this breeding.
I appreciate your input, but I've never called these dogs Frisco dogs. As I said in an earlier post "Frisco crosses" meaning the Gorm dog. I am fully aware that Kelso and Fez aren't Frisco dogs. Maybe I should have been more clear about that. Just wanted to show what that Frisco/lee ling cross (gorm) Not only what he accomplished as a performer but also as a producer. If the topic would've been Chinaman or Bolio/tombstone dogs I would've posted these dogs here as well.
I got dogs bred down from the Novosel stuff also and it have worked out good for me aswell. Alot of people are bashing and talking smack about the dogs but the records speaks for itself. The dogs are out there and doing well !
Me Too, we got dogs directly off Novosel that he got directly off TG. They was good all round dogs, plenty game, good mouth and high prey drive.
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