Mange in a brood gyp.

[thefoodchain]

I have a dilemma we have a GREAT brood gyp her on the yard she'll turned 9 this past March. She contacted mange around 4-5 years of age. Feel free to discuss the topic whether it was genetic or environmental during this thread. I would appreciate any and all knowledgeable feedback/input. Now to the problem at hand. We've bred her twice with good results. But early on with her skin concerns we treated and waited. She prove worthy of breeding but she's of course passing it to her offspring during nursing. Now I have plans for one last good breeding plan for her. But should I we or would you? I and my brothers/partners are treating the pups now. Some get it others don't, the black pups show the signs real quick. Is it worth the aggravations? Or should I retire her and eliminate her from the program?

[scary]

What have you treated with?

[thefoodchain]

I've used Taktic, Ivermcectin pour on and old school bleach and water mix sponge on.

[scary]

I have had luck with 1% ivomec at 0.3 per ten pounds of body weight. Given ORAL per day for a month. I would also not give on a empty stomach.

[Officially Retired]

I have a dilemma we have a GREAT brood gyp her on the yard she'll turned 9 this past March. She contacted mange around 4-5 years of age. Feel free to discuss the topic whether it was genetic or environmental during this thread. I would appreciate any and all knowledgeable feedback/input. Now to the problem at hand. We've bred her twice with good results. But early on with her skin concerns we treated and waited. She prove worthy of breeding but she's of course passing it to her offspring during nursing. Now I have plans for one last good breeding plan for her. But should I we or would you? I and my brothers/partners are treating the pups now. Some get it others don't, the black pups show the signs real quick. Is it worth the aggravations? Or should I retire her and eliminate her from the program?

Have you been breeding her every heat?

She may have a suppressed immune system because of the stress of repeatedly being bred, over and over again.

Jack

[No Quarter Kennel]

Jack, would you agree that there's an immune system problem regardless of frequency of breeding?

I've had some terrible mange in the past and have chosen to not use those dogs as it's just too big a hassle for myself and absolute misery for the dog who has it.

[Officially Retired]

Jack, would you agree that there's an immune system problem regardless of frequency of breeding?

Not necessarily.

If the immune system is fine in an unbred state ... and if it's fine even in a bred "once or twice" state ... then where is the problem?

If a problem only ensues after a bitch gets bred multiple times in succession ... never being allowed to fully recover from the last time ... and after a period of several years finally starts getting rundown and moth-eaten ... then the problem isn't really with the bitch, the problem is in her being over-bred. Essentially she is being rundown by her owner.

I've had some terrible mange in the past and have chosen to not use those dogs as it's just too big a hassle for myself and absolute misery for the dog who has it.

Some dogs simply get terrible mange, and I agree it is undesirable. However, such dogs usually get it early on, and they struggle with it forever.

But IMO this is a whole other topic than a bitch who is flawless and perfect for 6 straight years of her life, but only AFTER being bred over-and-over-and-over again starts to fall apart.

Jack

[No Quarter Kennel]

I see and agree.

The dogs I referenced were dogs who DID have trouble early in their life. I've had two that I had to put down. Both were Tonka Red Baron dogs. I've only fed Alligator, Snooty-Eli and TRB dogs. I've only seen the mange in the TRB stuff. Just my own experence though.

[Dogman]

There are two common types of mange Demodex and Sarcoptic.

Mostly all dogs have some Demodex mange mites on them, its usually when something weakens and compromises there immune system is when the Demodex goes out of control causing rise to certain noticeable symptoms. Even some people have demodex mange mites on them but they usually cause no symptoms in humans. Demodex mange is not inherited but can be passed on from mother to pups or from any other dog contact. Whats inherited in the pups is the weak immunity against demodex mange mites that have been genetically passed down from the parents to certain individual off springs. Usually pups going through immunity changes are more susceptable to demodex as well as senior dogs who have weaker immune systems.

Sarcoptic on the other hand is very contagious meaning, regardless of ones immunity level , it will cause considerable amount of damage to your dog if not treated. Sarcoptic mange can also affect HUMANS and be a hassel to treat.

There are many treatments to mange, but its a slow and on going steady process that could take even months to treat. Common treatments is Dursban, Amitraz, Mitaban dips, Ivomec, Nustock, Permethrin and certain shampoos and antibiotics for secondary infections.

[scary]

Good post dogman! I didn't want to hammer all that out on my phone. Lol