2 1/2 year old female came in heat a few weeks ago.Been waiting for her to go threw the pocess.She started bleeding and I was waiting for her to swell up.She didnt eat her food sunday.I notice monday that it looked like she wasnt in heat anymore.She weight 51 pounds 100 temp but has a low bloodcount. I been giving her redcell tues nite and some this morning wed.She wont eat or drink.Had solid stool this morning.
That's a low grade fever. Not much to worry about. However, myself, I give some antibiotics for fever as you never know about infection. Amoxicillin or Pen. Something fairly broad spectrum, but safe.
I like liver for bringing RBC up.
Way more qualified guys on this board than myself. Keep checking back and you'll get an answer for your problem.
I been giving her baytril for 3 days
Originally Posted by mmound
You don't just give a high-potency antibiotic like Baytril without knowing WTH you're dealing with. No Quarter Kennel apparently still doesn't get it, as he lost one of his own bitches to this last year, precisely because he thinks he can just sit there and "give antibiotics" for everything that happens to a dog. THIS IS WRONG!!! Sometimes, you need a vet!! ... And you actually need to get an exam, and you need to have THE SENSE to know when to do so
Any bitch who "acts sick" when pregnant or in heat is a red flag case and needs a vet
If she is anemic, I would suspect she has babesia (although there is usually a fever associated with it). There are A TON of good articles on here, from babesia to how to use antibiotics. Read them!
It is absolutely wrong just to "give Baytril" to a pregnant/in-heat sick bitch without knowing what's wrong with her. Again, generally, when bitches won't eat while they're bleeding, it is something SERIOUS. Baytril (and some other drugs) MAY be advised, if she has pyometra, but if she has babesia it won't do a thing for her. You need to clarify what is wrong with her ASAP.
A vet visit is mandatory to confirm the babesia, or the pyometra, if she is not eating her food and has a low RBC.
Good luck,
Jack
I'd take her to the vet and check for:
1. Vaginal infection
Get a blood count and see where the rbc 's wbc' s and plasma levels are. Given those results, I'd spend the money on a babesia or Elrichia test. Anytime a dog doesn't eat, it's a concern, I'd give some vitamin B right away to to see if it gives some appetite, but I'd take to the vet right away.
No Quarter Kennel apparently still doesn't get it, as he lost one of his own bitches to this last year, precisely because he thinks he can just sit there and "give antibiotics" for everything that happens to a dog. THIS IS WRONG!!! Sometimes, you need a vet!! ... And you actually need to get an exam, and you need to have THE SENSE to know when to do so
You know what I think Jack? Really? Fucking mind reader are you? For EVERYTHING???? Really, I think this about EVERYTHING that happens to a dog?
So, I'm a dumbass, who thinks only ONE fucking thing about EVERYTHING and b/c I "just sit there" I'm also a lazy motherfucker.
Hang with me, I'm processing what you put together, pertaining to me.
What you just typed is that I'm a lazy fucking dumbass. Is this right?
I understand that your self-esteem is hurt. That's fine. It needs to be, considering you let your bitch die an agonizing death last year because YES you were too damned lazy to take her to the vet.
If that hurts your feelings, too fucken bad. It's the GD truth and you need to look in the mirror and see it as such.
Yes, as a breeder, I actually read an assload of vet books ... I don't cry "boo hoo" to other people ... I have absolutely made it MY BUSINESS (literally) to make sure I know WTF I was doing, in virtually any possible circumstance, what symptoms mean what, and I damned sure know when to handle it myself and when to go to the vet. Absolutely I know this!
I actually liked you, but the more I listen to you go off, over nothing but THE TRUTH, the more I think ... YES ... you are a dumbass ... and a lazy motherfucker.
You ACT like you care, but your actIONS say otherwise.
Last year, you let your bitch die ... nothing you did worked ... and you waited and waited and waited ... until it was too late.
What do you want to call that, Ferg?
Smart?
Conscientious?
On the ball?
I mean, what fucking ILLUSION do you have about yourself and who you are?
Okay, so we all make mistakes, but here you are AGAIN telling some newby to just "give antibiotics" FOR THE SAME DAMNED SYMPTOMS AS WHAT KILLED YOUR OWN BITCH NOT EVEN 1 YEAR AGO!
Hellllllooooo!!!
Is anyone home, Ferg?
Are you even capable of learning?
Hell, for that matter, aren't you right now dealing with yet another dying dog ... asking about the doses of TMZ and such ... when these doses were right next to you in your book?
Do you know that, IN MY LIFE, I have never publicly "asked for help" on a medical issue, Ferg? NEVER.
Do you know WHY?
Because I make it my business to BE informed, that's why.
I have (and have READ) stacks of books with the dosages I need IN FRONT OF ME ... so I don't have to sit around like a chicken with his head cut off asking "help" for this and that.
And I damned sure wouldn't be sitting there asking for dosages for "this or that" ... WITH A GD BOOK SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME LISTING THOSE DOSAGES!!
What do you want for this, a medal?
Dogman of the Year? What?
So, listen up COACH, maybe if you're feeling like you got a boot in the ass ... for being lazy and not too bright ... you just MIGHT want to consider the possibility that YOU DESERVE IT
You sure as shit don't deserve either praise or emulation ... so before you go to cussing and having more of a fit, don't forget the PAGES OF PRAISE you've written me in the past for helping save Lord knows how many other dogs of yours. I have done nothing different here, except YET AGAIN give good advice.
You need to get over your own wounded ego, and recognize that YET AGAIN I have spoken nothing but the GD truth here ... and, in this case, the truth is AGAINST YOU.
So the only question remaining is when TF are you going to wake up and smell the coffee sir?
Jack
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I understand that your self-esteem is hurt. That's fine. It needs to be, considering you let your bitch die an agonizing death last year because YES you were too damned lazy to take her to the vet.
If that hurts your feelings, too fucken bad. It's the GD truth and you need to look in the mirror and see it as such.
Yes, as a breeder, I actually read an assload of vet books ... I don't cry "boo hoo" to other people ... I have absolutely made it MY BUSINESS (literally) to make sure I know WTF I was doing, in virtually any possible circumstance, what symptoms mean what, and I damned sure know when to handle it myself and when to go to the vet. Absolutely I know this!
You interpretation of me "letting" my bitch die isn't entirely accurate. It's self-serving for you to prove your argument that I am a "lazy piece of shit" and a "dumb ass" but it's not accurate. I had a bitch previous to this one with pyometra. AGAINST what my vet advised, I went with information I obtained on this forum. It save her life. Why? B/c I chose to. She warranted saving. When I go through my priorities in life, she fit and was healthy enough to make that investment. The second go round wasn't the same. After taking her in and assessing the situation, it made no sense, or it wasn't worth the investment to save her. My dog, my call.
And I doubt ANYONE will argue that you are aren't insanely prepared, well versed, well educated, etc. on these dogs. Hell, I would come to you b/f any vet I've personally known.
I actually liked you, but the more I listen to you go off, over nothing but THE TRUTH, the more I think ... YES ... you are a dumbass ... and a lazy motherfucker.
You ACT like you care, but your actIONS say otherwise.
Last year, you let your bitch die ... nothing you did worked ... and you waited and waited and waited ... until it was too late.
What do you want to call that, Ferg?
Smart?
Conscientious?
On the ball?
I mean, what fucking ILLUSION do you have about yourself and who you are?
Again, you don't know the entire situation. BUT, to answer your question, I "call it" a mistake. I'm not living under any illusion and I don't think I'm anyone. Essentially, I'm just a guy with bulldogs like 99% of the people on your board and who own this breed.
And for the record, I still like you. I think you are insulting at times and regardless of where I'm at in a situation, I never feel like I'm here for someone else to criticize. That's all.
Okay, so we all make mistakes, but here you are AGAIN telling some newby to just "give antibiotics" FOR THE SAME DAMNED SYMPTOMS AS WHAT KILLED YOUR OWN BITCH NOT EVEN 1 YEAR AGO!
Hellllllooooo!!!
Is anyone home, Ferg?
Are you even capable of learning?
Hell, for that matter, aren't you right now dealing with yet another dying dog ... asking about the doses of TMZ and such ... when these doses were right next to you in your book?
Fever didn't kill my dog. I simply suggested that fever may equal infection, so to give a broad antibiotic. I also said there were more qualified folks than me to get help from. Didn't say that was all there was too it. Maybe I wasn't clear. The dog I am dealing with right now, not that it's anyone's biz, IS NOT MY DOG. I guess you don't believe me, but it's not. It's a dog, that I KNOW has had diarrhea for 6 months before I got it, the owner had it to the vet TWICE and nothing was helping. I offered to help. WHY? BECAUSE OF SOME BAD ASS website I know of that has loads of helpful folks on it. IT IS NOT MY DOG. I also didn't ask about the doses of TMZ. I went to the vet and GOT some TMZ after reading your suggestion and that being my quickest means to obtain it (it's my lazy nature) and THEN I posted about it and where I could get more, cheaper and so forth. It's all in your forum there. YES, I could'v gotten that info from your book, but I honestly overlooked it. I guess that could be misconstrued as lazy as well. But it was an honest mistake. So it wasn't the doses, as you say and it's not my dog as you say.
Do you know that, IN MY LIFE, I have never publicly "asked for help" on a medical issue, Ferg? NEVER.
Do you know WHY?
Because I make it my business to BE informed, that's why.
I have (and have READ) stacks of books with the dosages I need IN FRONT OF ME ... so I don't have to sit around like a chicken with his head cut off asking "help" for this and that.
And I damned sure wouldn't be sitting there asking for dosages for "this or that" ... WITH A GD BOOK SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME LISTING THOSE DOSAGES!!
What do you want for this, a medal?
Dogman of the Year? What?
Again, I wasn't asking for dosages. I was asking something else, which yes, was in the book, but I overlooked it. No one is arguing or accusing you of being prepared. Undeniable. I'll bet you a freakin beer though that there's not ANYONE more prepared than you on this board and if anyone else is close to you, I'd be surprised. SO, get ready to be disappointed Jack, you probably really are the Top Dog in that category. An I don't want a medal or award of any kind. Thanks
So, listen up COACH, maybe if you're feeling like you got a boot in the ass ... for being lazy and not too bright ... you just MIGHT want to consider the possibility that YOU DESERVE IT
You sure as shit don't deserve either praise or emulation ... so before you go to cussing and having more of a fit, don't forget the PAGES OF PRAISE you've written me in the past for helping save Lord knows how many other dogs of yours. I have done nothing different here, except YET AGAIN give good advice.
You need to get over your own wounded ego, and recognize that YET AGAIN I have spoken nothing but the GD truth here ... and, in this case, the truth is AGAINST YOU.
So the only question remaining is when TF are you going to wake up and smell the coffee sir?
"Coach"??? I like that. Should'v been my handle here. I disagree that I "deserve" the kick in the ass. There are times I have in many different times of my life, but hey, that goes for you too. I'm not looking for praise, just don't understand the criticism. I can see what kind of picture can be painted, but it's not accurate, not completely, so it's unwarranted. I'm not going to cuss you on here. AND, I won't ever deny TRUTH. YES, I have praised you many times for many things pertaining to dogs. That doesn't change for me. You have done a lot for not only my dogs, but for others with all the tips, tricks, books, forum, etc. PEOPLE ARE USING ALL OF IT. The truth isn't against me. Your opinion of me, I guess, is against me.
Have a good one Jack.
I meant 6 weeks, not months on the diarrhea.
I don't want to argue anymore. I just flipped out when I saw you offering the same "advice" that got your bitch killed last year. I hate to see good dogs die needlessly, when simple vigilance would have prevented the loss (and the suffering prior to the loss).
If you think dying of a uterus filling with pus until it ruptures into the entire bloodstream is anything but agonizing for the bitch, think again.
If you think dying of utter anemia (from babesia) ... to where an animal gets so weak it can't eat or lift its head up ... is a "vacation," think again.
I honestly believe people need to have as many books as possible (and actually read them) to make sure they're informed as to when to handle problems themselves, and when to seek a vet.
I wrote the best book I possibly could to HELP PEOPLE ... and I also gave reference to the best vet books a man can have to KNOW what he's doing medically ...
So if a person doesn't follow through, get these books and read them, then they're a negligent POS as a dogman IMO.
Not knowing is one thing;
But knowing, but not caring enough to get up and do, is quite another
Anyway, I've said my peace, you've said yours.
In the end, if you get ONE thing out of this (other than the fact I am an asshole), then GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD:
Any time a bitch is ANYWHERE NEAR her heat cycle, especially right after (or right after she whelps) ... if she starts getting sick, and comes off her feed, it will 9x out of 10 be DEADLY SERIOUS BUSINESS
Whether it be babesia, pyometra, or acute metritis, all of these are DEADLY SERIOUS CONDITIONS.
Only babesia can be handled without a vet ... provided you have the meds (which is another subject regarding competence/vigilance) ... but it's best to get a vet exam on ANY bitch that is sick during her heat cycle, right after, or right after delivery ... and a GOOD dogman READS UP on these conditions ... so he knows what to look for.
He doesn't just breed dogs and wait for pups to come out ... and he doesn't just "give antibiotics" to a bitch that is laying on her side refusing to eat ...
A good dogman gets up off his ass, he goes to the vet for a cytology and bloodwork, and he finds out what the problem is
Word.
Jack
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