? for Jack on stud choice

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Jack, I have access to these 2 studs and just would like your opinion on what you believe are the pros and cons of breeding to either. I know you dont know the performance ability of each individual but you know the dogs behind them and their genetic potential to produce certain styles and traits.

Ponchoback II so far is showing to be a decent, defensive head dog. He is very athletic
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=48913

Tank aka Mini Me i have no info on except ped and he has thrown a couple winners
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=42922

[Officially Retired]

It's hard to say.

I would imagine Ponchoback II would be the better physical specimen but I don't have a recent photo.

Minnie Me looks like he's been over-fed shit food all his life. Minnie Me's mama was cold, but her daddy Sun Demon was as game/tough as they come, and stopped A LOT of pretty rough Eli-type dogs on his durability and mouth, while Brick House was an all-around badass bitch (moves + brains + mouth). Minnie's sire Icon is Brick House's brother ... one of the most talented dogs I have bred in my life ... and if there was a dog I had the could have whipped Silverback, Icon was the dog would might have pulled it off by outsmarting and outlasting him. (They weren't the same weight though.)

Ponchoback's daddy, Silverback was a gem of a dog. Total finisher, awesome athlete and specimen. Little D was a relentless, long-winded, very athletic, almost maniacal dog. Never did anything with her, but I would bet my life she'd be game. She carried the same "stamp" of Dirty Diamond and Diamond Girl before her ... BOTH uber-game, uber-game, uber-game bitches ... and Little D was unmistakably cut from the same cloth and bred true. The kind of gameness that would make your skin crawl, and make cold-hearted veterans get goose bumps. Rocko was Sun Demon's brother, a better physical specimen, but I am not sure he was as game or tough, as he never traveled down that road, like Sun Demon did (several times).

I would have to see both stud dogs go, of course, to give you my true opinion ... or at least see them move around in decent shape to get a feel for their athleticism.

But pedigree-wise, there may be a blemish or two in each (as in all peds), but there are mostly rock-solid (and some truly badass) dogs right there in front in BOTH pedigrees.

Jack

[ASAP]

If you had to guess what type of dog either of them would throw what would it be?

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Everything from my yard will through highly-energetic head dogs ... unless whatever it gets bred to happened to dominate.

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Could someone have put up the wrong picture? Geezus!!

[SGC]

That is the right dog in that photo, he was an odd looking pup too --



(thanks for the photo help Jack...)

[Officially Retired]

Could someone have put up the wrong picture? Geezus!!

Minnie Me is getting that build from his granddaddy Sun Demon:



Sun Demon's other son (and Minnie-Me's brother) Screaming Icon had the same build:



The difference is, some people feed thick, deep-chested dogs optimal nutrition ... so their thick, ultra-durable dogs look good ... while others OVER-feed their dogs low-budget, cheap shit and turn their dog into a walrus.

Anyone with an educated eye can see the difference ... while those who also shop at Dollar General for their kids and family think looking like that is "normal"

Jack

PS: Sun Demon had a neck like a telephone pole and stopped many dogs that "decimated" other (thin-skin/boned) dogs ... but they could hardly tickle Sun Demon ... who stopped every dog he was ever rolled with, from some big-name people, except 1.

[SGC]

Sun Demon was a powerfully built bulldog, here are a couple more old photos of him --

[Officially Retired]

He was a good, all-around dog.

[S_B]

Those you guys posted look awesome, Minnie Me looks like he's on his way to a Bully Expo show!!